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Sunday, March 4, 2012

Christians and Mental Illness: When OCD Gets Spiritual (Scrupulosity)

The following is an excerpt from the book "The Obssesive Compulsive Trap: Real Help for a Real Struggle" by Christian Psychologist Dr. Mark Crawford.

I trust some out there needs to read this....




In Chapter 3 we discussed the biological basis of OCD. Even though research has taught us much about the physiological causes of OCD, it remains a disorder that is frequently misunderstood by the general population. As a psychologist who works frequently with Christians, I am surprised to see how misunderstood and often how mishandled OCD is within the Christian community. Because obsessions and compulsions can have religious or spiritual themes, there are some within the Church who see OCD as a “spiritual problem.” I have even spoken with some who claim that the symptoms of OCD are caused by demonic oppression or even demonic possession. For a Christian already tormented by anxiety cause by OCD, having someone suggest that these symptoms are caused by demonic involvement can literally push them over the edge.
I’ve seen too many Christians with OCD who have been harmed by well-intended church members who suggested that if they only had more faith or prayed more, their symptoms would disappear. I’ve also heard far too many stories of Christians with OCD who were told by church members (or even church officials) that their symptoms were present because of “unconfessed sin “ in their lives. This type of uneducated advice can be extraordinarily harmful to someone with OCD whose symptoms include obsessive concerns that their normal, everyday behaviours are sinful; fears of not being a “good enough Christian”: or fears of being condemned because of bad thoughts. For example, I worked with a young man named Scott who was constantly tormented by anxiety and guilt. He described almost constantly feeling as thought he “might have lied” to someone during the course of a normal day. Since Scott believed that lying was a sin, he was constantly praying for forgiveness, and he frequently returned to the people to whom he feared he lied in order to clarify himself and to ask for their forgiveness. When I asked for an example, Scott offered the following: “This morning, I stopped by a bakery and ordered a bagel. The woman behind the counter asked if I liked cream cheese on my bagel. I told her no. After I left, I started to think that sometimes I do put cream cheese on my bagel. Today I didn’t want cream cheese on my bagel but sometimes I do. Therefore, I felt like I lied to her because she asked me if I liked cream cheese on my bagel I said no, and that is a lie since there are times when I do.” When I asked what he did in response to his thoughts, he replied, “After I left and had driven about 2 miles away from the bakery, the guilt overwhelmed me aand I had to turn around and go back. I went back inside the bakery and tried to explain to the woman that I lied to her about not liking cream cheese on my bagel. She looked at me like I was crazy. Maybe I am”. To tell this young man that his problems would disappear if he simply prayed more, had more faith, and got rid of all of the unconfessed sin in his life would be inaccurate, unethical and extremely harmful.
If you suffer from OCD, or if you know someone who suffers from OD, please understand that OCD is a biological condition caused primarily by an imbalance in brain chemistry. It is not caused by demonic involvement. To suggest otherwise is as ridiculous as suggesting that individuals who suffer from nearsightedness, diabetes, or crooked teeth are possessed by demons or suffer their malady because of sin in their lives.
The symptoms of OCD often do manifest with religious or spiritual themes. This is particularly true of Christians and people of other faiths for whom their beliefs are an integral part of their lives. Here are a few examples.
Obsessions over Committing the “unpardonable sin”
One of the more frequent obsessive thoughts/fears for Christians suffering from OCD is the fear that they may have “committed the unpardonable sin”. They may also express this as the fear that they may have “blasphemed the Holy Ghost” Almost without exception, these individuals quote the verse from Matthew 12:31 that reads, “Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against thee Spirit will not be forgiven men”; or the verse from Mark 3:28-29 that reads, “assuredly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they may utter; but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation’ – because they said, “he has an unclean spirit. These verses serve as the source of torment for many Christians with OCD who are incessantly tormented with the thought or fear that they may have somehow brought eternal condemnation upon themselves by “committing blasphemy against the Spirit”. Few of these people can tell you clearly what they actually did that qualifies as blasphemy against the Spirit.
Theological scholars have debated the meaning of these scripture verses. However, many leading scholars suggest that these passages refer to rejecting any and all promptings of the spirit of God that convict mankind of his sinfulness and need for salvation. It is ironic that the very individuals who feel” condemned” are applying a passage of scripture that refers to those who feel no conviction from the Holy Spirit. Unfortunately, even the more articulate and educated expert on the scriptures would have a difficult time convincing most Christians who suffer from this and other religious obsessions. Many people with OCD simply use emotional reasoning (a term that refers to reaching a conclusion based on how one feels rather than on facts and data.) Therefore, the OCD sufferer describes that they feel unforgiven and condemned, therefore they must be.

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Update From Joe:  This post has over 13,000 hits since I posted it  - so if you think you are alone, you're not!

For further reading that may be helpful I invite you to read my personal testimony as a Christian with this illness here: A Beautiful Mind . Or watch it on youtube. Much love and encouragement, Joe.



Also there are some great strategies in this article for dealing with OCD ( It is a short summary dapted from Schwartz, J.M. (1996). Brain Lock: A Four-Step Self-Treatment Method to Change your Brain Chemistry. New York: Harper Collins. ) here: Managing Compulsions and Obsessions

37 comments:

  1. Hello,

    I would really like to speak to someone about this, I do have OCD and I am struggling with feeling condemned. How does someone who has these issues come to accept salvation? I keep praying and praying for forgiveness but I don't know if I am forgiven.

    Thank you.

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    1. I will tell you. and any that reads this. You can NOT go off your own emotions. We walk BY Faith not by sight. Romans 8:1 For there is NO Condemnation for those in Christ Jesus. guilt is FALSE again.. false condemnation... We are never good enough.. and will never be good enough to be forgiven. and thank God! that is the case. Because we are forgiven NOT because we are good enough, but Because of Faith in Jesus Christ. you can not feel or see faith. you just have it and Believe you're free. do you believe in Christ? have you asked for forgiveness? if yes then you're forgiven! God can NOT lie. he promised too not only forgive you, but forget your sins. God does not lie... so you know you're forgiven. Micah 7:19. John 3:16. John 8:36 on and on and on. you're free! not because you're good enough or a better Christian, BUT because of Faith in Christ! the Blood of Christ washes you and you're free! free Indeed! satan yes that is right.. satan! plays with the emotions and battles in the mind! Jesus told us this. and he knows more then Man ever will. Paul tells us too renew or minds DAILY! yes... DAILY! I struggle with OCD too, but remember this. OCD will one day fade and die, but the Lords Word will Stand forever! now who you going too trust? when satan reminds you of your past. you remind him of his future! revelations 20:10!

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    2. Wow. What a blessing to find this blog. I have had OCD for 38 years, but only diagnosed about 15 yrs ago. God has blessed me with great healing and many years of remission. But as you know, OCD (scrupulosity) likes to rear it's ugly head, and I have been struggling with OCD and the even more horrid depression. How wonderful to know there are other believers like me. You have been a drink of cool water for me today, Joe (I enjoyed your YouTube video). Perhaps God might give me an outlet to share some of His truths I have learned while you minister to me in turn.
      God bless each sufferer. Spurgeon wrote, "The land that will not grow a thistle will not grow wheat, and the heart that cannot produce a doubt has not yet understood the meaning of believing."

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    3. I've had OCD since I had rheumatic fever of the brain (Sydenham's Chorea) when I was six. Did you know that at least some OCD has been linked with the autoimmune response to the strep infection? Who hasn’t had strep as a kid or as an adult? Rheumatic fever is a response to step. Step throat itself has a high correlation to OCD and anxiety disorders in general. We hardly know a thing about the brain. A neurologist once told me that the knowledge that we have about the brain is like a needle in a haystack.
      All I know is that GOD IS LOVE and isn't condemning us for this cross we bear. If I believed that God condemns to hell those of us who are already suffering the tortures of the damned, I would exit Christianity.
      In my own experience of OCD/Anxiety/Depression, these mental states don’t often allow me to have a felt experience of God's Love and Salvation through Jesus Christ. Did you know that St. Therese of Lisieux felt the same way? She could never have a felt experience of the Love of God. St. Therese of Liseaux also had OCD and she had many sore throats as a child one of which was followed by strange movement disorder, and OCD.
      I know that some people have been helped with their OCD by praying for the grace of increased trust, but not everyone. God has His reasons that we cannot fathom. And it’s not because we have have thought bad thoughts. God is not a torturer or watching for one wrong move. DIVORCE the puny god of the merit system! I can’t say this strongly enough. Serve the divorce warrant to this petty little god creep. Jesus does away with the merit system once and for all.
      I had a good friend whose four year old child died and she was a devout Christian who prayed fervently. Another person who prays has a child that lives, but would you be so cruel as to say that my friend didn't "do it right" or "believe enough?" No, of course you wouldn't. The truth is God's plan is so overwhelmingly cosmic, we have no idea why some children live and some children die. Or why some of us get better with our OCD and some of us don’t. God redeems everything, even a child's death and our OCD. Some of us get to have the OCD cross removed, and others of us will carry it our whole lives.
      I can tell you the upside of OCD for me. People can tell me anything and I have true empathy and compassion. God works through my OCD by the utter lack of judgment I have towards others. People get to see the face of Jesus in my own face and they will see it in yours if this is a cross that you are bearing. Remember this.

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  2. Hi Kittie - I'm very sorry you are feeling this way but there is help out there! first of all i would suggest getting this book I quoted from (Amazon has it here: http://www.amazon.com/The-Obsessive-Compulsive-Trap-Struggle/dp/0830734899/ref=sr_1_sc_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1346903406&sr=8-1-spell&keywords=the+obessessive+compulsive+trap )

    Second I would like to share my personal testimony with you which I also wrote out as a blogpost here: http://the-riches-of-his-grace.blogspot.ca/2011/05/beautiful-mind.html

    The book by Dr Mark Crawford (in this post) is really great for a Christian suffering with OCD because it addresses your spiritual concerns as well - and makes it clear what is spiritual and what is just a brain disorder at work - a trial that we must go through like any one else's trials (although largely misunderstood)

    i would be a little careful of which Christians you talk to this about as many do not understand it -those who do will be a great blessing to you.

    as I mention in my testimony it came to the point where I felt God tell me "Separate the OCD thoughts from Me and My Voice, My Word" - thats when I began to get better (although I still struggle)

    If you have any more questions lease feel free to ask!

    One more post you might like: http://the-riches-of-his-grace.blogspot.ca/2011/05/ocd-managing-compulsions-and-obsessions.html

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  3. Hi


    I have OCD too. And I've had bouts of self-contempt, self-condemnation. I would always ask "How could God love a monster like me?" . It started out as a simple anxiety attack which then occurred for several times in the course of a year. Then bad and intrusive thoughts began attacking me. Blasphemous thoughts that I would never in my life imagine myself speaking. It stole just about every joy I had. I had no sense of control over my life. But I held on to Jesus' promise, that He would never leave me nor forsake me. He bore and took upon Himself the wages of all my sins and He is inviting me to share His victory. The work is already finished. The more I remind myself of God's unfailing love for me, meditate on it, let it drop and sink in my heart, I began forgiving myself and accepting myself for my OCD. I let the thoughts come in as if they are just some random thoughts a 3rd party would have said to me. Yes they would sound awful but I knew it was not me, it was just my OCD. Perfect love casts out all fear. If you do not fear OCD, it will lose its control over you and you can go on with your life. I still struggle at times. But God's words are true, the thoughts that we give place to are all lies. I believe in my heart that I am already healed. The thoughts come once in a while but I practiced praising God in my heart for the circumstance I am in. I praise God because He loves me despite. It's not easy to not look at ourselves but that is living by faith. To begin looking at Christ, sharing in His victory, rejoicing in trials and claiming His promises is to begin defeating OCD. It might not seem like it when the thoughts are still there but surely the guilt is gone. I hate these thoughts but they don't deserve my attention. These thoughts did not die for me at the cross, these thoughts did not pay the price for all my sins, therefore I must not exult them. It's hard but God's love is just perfect. It's limitless. Let's just dive into God's ocean of grace. God loves us, He cares, He knows it's hard and He promised to give us "perfect peace".

    Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid. ~John 14:27

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  5. My OCD fear is I'm not really saved. That when I got saved in 4th grade i didn't understand an I wasn't saved. And here recently I had this weiht on my heart and I started thinking during church that maybe I'm not really saved. So I talked with my youth paster. I was crying an I was saying it shouldn't be this damn hard. So he Just grabbed my arm an said were gonna pray so I prayed a prayer to for salvation. I felt good until today. Now I'm worried I'm not saved or I was really saved when I was ten and that What I did sunday was just to make myself feel better. But if I wasn't saved when I was 10 the prayer I prayed was for the wrong reason so it didn't count. So I could use spirtual an phcological guidance. I don't the sinners prayer to becom e a OCD ritual bc i fear for my soul. Please help

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    1. Hi j...my heart goes out you . OCD can be so hard...especially when it takes on a spiritual theme like our salvation. Please know that whoever calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. God knows your heart and your desire for His salvation...its that simple. You are saved already. Its really hard to separate ocd thoughts from truth sometimes...I would suggest finding a professional counsellor or psychologist who understands mental illness . Therapy can really help...and for me medicine has been a big part of my mental health too. Im praying for you . Take a look at my testimony here..hopefully it will be a blessing! http://the-riches-of-his-grace.blogspot.ca/2011/05/beautiful-mind.html?m=1

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    2. Hi j...my heart goes out you . OCD can be so hard...especially when it takes on a spiritual theme like our salvation. Please know that whoever calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. God knows your heart and your desire for His salvation...its that simple. You are saved already. Its really hard to separate ocd thoughts from truth sometimes...I would suggest finding a professional counsellor or psychologist who understands mental illness . Therapy can really help...and for me medicine has been a big part of my mental health too. Im praying for you . Take a look at my testimony here..hopefully it will be a blessing! http://the-riches-of-his-grace.blogspot.ca/2011/05/beautiful-mind.html?m=1

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    3. Hi j...my heart goes out you . OCD can be so hard...especially when it takes on a spiritual theme like our salvation. Please know that whoever calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. God knows your heart and your desire for His salvation...its that simple. You are saved already. Its really hard to separate ocd thoughts from truth sometimes...I would suggest finding a professional counsellor or psychologist who understands mental illness . Therapy can really help...and for me medicine has been a big part of my mental health too. Im praying for you . Take a look at my testimony here..hopefully it will be a blessing! http://the-riches-of-his-grace.blogspot.ca/2011/05/beautiful-mind.html?m=1

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    4. Well I've allways had doubts an wrrys about being saved. Its scared me but it comes an goes. Ill be good for a few years then the wrry starts up. I was little so my memory of that day is foggy and that fuels the worry that if I was truly saved I'd remember it clearly. Its a worry that lays dorment for a few years and suddenly hits me. These past few months have been brutal.....

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    5. I was diagnosed with OCD my freshmen year. I'm recently slowly coming to the discovery its my OCD. Its just so confusing. And praying the sinners prayer sunday with youth pastor helped gor a bit but tge thought came back stronger an caused a lot of confusion.

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    6. Hey JBowers. Just so you know I had exactly the same problem. Was I saved? Did I mean it? I was saying it for wrong reasons? I couldn't truthfully promise to follow God as I kept sinning or what if I changed my mind? I have said variations of that prayer do many times over my life. Other people seem so sure and happy and safe and close to God. I read that if u have said it then u r saved like 2+2 =4 u can't say " but I can't help feel it might be 5". Apparently the fear of not Feeling saved is common. But if u said the prayer then u are , that's what my bible extract said. But I struggle when they say 'you have to say it and mean it' as I don't know if I mean it. Am I just going through the motions? Do I really believe? Basically I think it is best to trust that God knows your problems and what u struggle with and what is right for one person or even most might not always be right for you . I stopped my church as it wasn't helping and stopped reading the Bible as I had OCD and ppl saying look at God's Word for truth wasn't helpful as there are passages that seem to conflict to me. A few years later after OCD is gone I found a more liberal and open minded church but I still get scared sometimes. But I trust that life is a journey and maybe I was learning to be more open minded. My mum says just trust that everything will be ok. Please get professional help if U need it and know other Christians don't always know what they r talking about with OCD.

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    8. At the risk of causing further confusion, I feel compelled to say that the Sinner's Prayer is not a biblical approach to salvation. It's not my place to say who is and isn't saved, but as long as I live, I intend to teach the biblical plan for salvation, which is concisely written in Acts 2:38. But don't listen to me, search the Scriptures relentlessly, and ask God with all your heart to guide you.

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  6. I am also struggling with OCD. I pray that every brother and sister in Jesus Christ will be able to manage their OCD and live their life in a way where nothing will get between them and God. Best wishes for everyone here, God bless you. Keep reading your Bible and praying.

    Philippians 4:4-9

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  8. hi my name is robbie and i suffer from ocd and religious scrupolocity and get unwanted thoughts and compulsions that i repeat for hours and hours a day trying to avoid praying these unwanted ideas i do not want to pray fearing god will act on them and do them. I sometimes get mad at god and the holy spirit feeling like they are trying to put these thoughts in my mind in an oppressive way to get me to pray what i don't want to pray, by harassing my mind for hours until i say what i don't want to pray, getting thoughts of making vows to god and the holy spirit I do not want to make, i have had christians demonize me for taking martial arts telling me it was of the devil and they annoy the living hell out of me because i think they are full of shit, thoughts of of praying god close doors on martial arts because of this and i do not want to pray that and it harasses my mind for hours everyday for the past few weeks, I want to be happy in life but sometimes feel like god does not want me to happy in life but suffer constantly, sometimes I feel like god want to be an asshole to me, someone at a toll free prayer line you call for people to pray for you over the phone when i told them about these compulsions they said that sounds like the holy spirit influencing me and that gave me a negative perception of the holy spirit that he want to push me to pray things against my will I do not want to from my heart and if i end up saying what i do not want to pray I get full of extreme stress , anxiety and fear, please reply back to me

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  9. Hi Robbie - the most important thing to know is that your anziety thoughts are not from God or the Holy Spirit! I would highly recommend seeing a psychologist or psychiatrist as they would really be able to help. Also find a Christian who understands mental illness better and they could be a huge support. Here is my testimony in writing and via youtube! http://the-riches-of-his-grace.blogspot.ca/2011/05/beautiful-mind.html Praying for you!

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  10. I recently began to look into things and am pretty sure I have OCD.. When I have an episode I get unwanted thoughts.. Like bad words, thoughts on if I'm good enough, or what if I do something terrible, and I get so scared. I've been trying to just pray really hard that God will take this from me, and trying to give it to God but I get so deeply afraid and sometimes I need someone to talk to.

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    1. Hi Hannah - I would give you the same advice as I did to Robbie. the most important thing to know is that your bad thoughts are not from God or the Holy Spirit! They are not from you either! I would highly recommend seeing a psychologist or psychiatrist as they would really be able to help. Also find a Christian who understands mental illness better and they could be a huge support. Here is my testimony in writing and via youtube! http://the-riches-of-his-grace.blogspot.ca/2011/05/beautiful-mind.html Praying for you!

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  14. Mr. Harder, would you consider emailing me so we could dialog about OCD depression? I am in a tough spot and believe your theology is sound. If so, I will post my email address.

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    1. I apologize Becky for not replying sooner. It has been a hectic and hard time for me as well. I've been praying for you though. Please let me know if you want to chat any more.... Joe

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  15. Hello. I suffer from OCD as well - manifesting in the form of hypochondria. It centers around dying young (I'm 28) and leaving my three small children (5yrs, 3yrs, and 2 months) and husband behind and him potentially remarrying and my kids having a new mommy. The thoughts are plaguing and have led to deep depression. I'm terrified of having a brain tumor or something equally as devistating. I know the cure is complete and total surrender to God's will for my life instead of my own will and desires, but I can't understand why it's so hard to accept for me :(

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    1. I feel for you - and will be praying for you. I know it is very hard but God is with us not against us :) Have you read or watched my testimony? I'll post the link for you - Keep looking up! - the most important thing to know is that your anziety thoughts are not from God or the Holy Spirit! I would highly recommend seeing a psychologist or psychiatrist as they would really be able to help. Also find a Christian who understands mental illness better and they could be a huge support. Here is my testimony in writing and via youtube! http://the-riches-of-his-grace.blogspot.ca/2011/05/beautiful-mind.html Praying for you!

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  16. Hello! I ran into your website recently, and I was wondering if you could answer one of my questions.

    I'm a Christian who has struggled with OCD and intrusive thoughts for a long time... the problem recently relapsed.
    I've had people tell me not to worry too much, because my intrusive thoughts are just a product of my brain and aren't genuine.
    But if that's true, what if my good behaviors (like trying to reach out to God and praying) are also just a product of my OCD?

    Because I've had the habit of praying compulsively over my sins. At a certain point, I'm not sure if any of my prayers/actions are genuine. How do I know?

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    1. BrBr4321 I am with you on this...

      I have been wrestling with my faith for 7 years or so, with enormous anxiety. Only just understood what ODC was and pure O OCD / scrupulosity was.

      Since I spent my time researching about salvation (books, blogs, videos, asking pastors, other Christians, etc), I have a rather extensive view of all verses in relation to that. Each of them have been, at times, triggers for enormous fear. That I couldn't be a Christian when I compared them with my life.

      Looking back at when I can see the first symptoms of religious OCD / Scrupulosity in me, I am now wondering if any decision / prayer / Bible study I've made were ever genuine. I found a FB group where you can find ressources and support. https://www.facebook.com/StrivingsWithinChristiansWithAnxietyDisorders/?fb_dtsg_ag=AdzCW_g-Fvovq9OjBcYV1zi3Lk2U03GNeVaLUHsiUO602w%3AAdykdU2OuhO6efWPViaKFWZQGZzJU9nSILXIUmJbDr51fg
      I have found help / prayer support and have been amazed how similar some of others' stories were.
      Hope it helps you too.

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  18. And yet, Philippians 4:6-7:
    "Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God. And the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus."

    The Christianity you are describing, i.e., one that has the 'fruit of OCD', would be an example of someone misunderstanding God's ways, and probably doubting God's love for them.

    Also, in Matthew 11:30, Jesus says: "my yoke is easy and my burden is light."

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  19. This is a great excerpt. I will look him up and watch your video. I wrote an essay of my experience with Scrupulosity, "A Crown of thorns around our heads: christianity and mental illness." https://alejandruid.wixsite.com/mysite/all-news/a-crown-of-thorns-around-our-heads-christianity-and-mental-illness

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  20. Thanks for being vulnerable to share your story & for the info & encouragement! Mark DeJesus has a wealth of info on OCD on his website and on YouTube. He is a Christian & used to be a pastor who had / has OCD. I highly recommend his materials. They've been a Godsend to me.

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